The LOST Writers' Island

lisagwilkins wrote:

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Okay here's a thought I had and I wonder what you all think of it. 

I noticed that Cassidy and Kate both suffer from acute hero worship.  Cassidy wanted Sawyer to teach her what he did and "show me how to con people, Sawyer."  It seems that she thinks this would validate her in his eyes and make her "worthy".

And by the same token Kate suffers from the same co-dependent behavior with Jack.  She looks him to make her feel valued and feel important when she doesn't realize that she already is valued and important, she's just lookin' for it in the wrong place...

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I think this is a very good argument Lisa. And I know some people, mainly Jaters say that Cassidy loved Sawyer, but your right, it wasnt the kindof love that would be classified as true unconditional love. I remember recently someone put up a quote I saw of dialogue from Cassidy and Kate and Kate asked Cassidy who the guys name was who screwed her over. She was planning on helping Cassidy out with Sawyer.

But Cassidy said that she couldnt do it, because he was the father of her child and she loved him. And then she asked Kate if she could forgive someone for turning her in. And Kate replied never, going back to her mother. But obviously something changed Cassidies mind when she called the cops on him. And I dont think it was unconditional love on her part, I dont think she was trying to help Sawyer, I think she was trying to trap him into loving her the way she wanted to love him. Like you said, looking for love in the wrong place.

My point being, this is an unhealthy kindof love. And although I actually liked Cassidy and think she was misguided, much like many other characters on the show, this is the same unhealthy kindof love Kate has for Jack. She loves him for the role he plays, for the respect he demands and for his position as leader. With Jack, Kate can be his right hand gal.

With Sawyer, he treats her as his equal. They may fight like cat and dog until the cows come home, but Sawyer has never made Kate feel like a lesser person because of who she is. The problem with Kate is that she doesnt want to be treated as an equal, aleast imo.

I think for all relationships, there has to be a kindof balance for it to work. They have to love eachother the same. Or there will always be one person feeling undeserving of that love and the other wondering why they dont love them back the same way.

Jate was a nightmare from the start, because not only does it feel forced because of the chemistry with the actors, but Kate hasnt opened up to Jack abotu herself the way she has with Sawyer. She hasnt allowed herself to be completely vulnerable and naked (in the emotional sense) infront of him. Kates just hanging on to that perfect ideal in her head of what a perfect life is supposed to look like with the perfect man and perfect house/child. The problem is, its all a lie. And I think Kate knows tihs deep down, no matter how hard she tries to deny it.

The problem I have with Skate right now, and Im sorry btw for being all over the board with this, but its just the way my mind words, but the problem I have with Skate now is I dont feel that the love they have is equal yet. I think Skate has awesome potential as a couple. They have the kindof relationship that can last long term because they both are the same kindof people with the same morals and values. Its not about using the other to look better or to boost their self esteem. Its something real.

But none of that means anything while Jate is still in the picture. Because it portrays Skate on an unlevel playing field, which isnt fair to Sawyer. For me to root for a couple, there has to be some give and take on "Both" sides. And it cheapens the Skate relationship. So yes although Jate is unhealthy and quite painful to watch, Skate doesnt mean much to me until I know more about Kates feelings for Sawyer.

Its easier to remain skeptical about it so were not dissapointed later, lol. Cause I admit, it burned me big time when we found out there was no Skate baby. So I need the writers to earn back my trust by putting the building blocks back up carefully, and making sure Skate is on an equal level before we can root for them again. And I really do hope we can root for them again. Those were fun times. S4 was such a downer season for Skate, but I still have hope that they can redeem themselves in that respect.


-- Edited by sawyersmine at 06:07, 2008-12-24

I agree Jaci, I was really expecting and hoping for a Skate baby. I can't say that I'm pleased that Kate has Aaron. I don't like that at all and yes the show has burned me tremendously too. But the saving grace for me at this time is that I have hung up my skater shoes. I DO NOT consider myself a skater any more at all. I am not enthralled with the Kate character and haven't been for some time.

For a while it seemed that Sawyer wanted Kate and I wanted him to have her but now after the way she lived with Jack and accepted his marriage proposal and all, even if the relationship did end inside of 42 minutes, I still don't like the Kate character right now and it's going to take a lot of work on her part to get back in my good graces.

In all honesty to me I don't feel Kate is worthy of Sawyer. She has not changed at all, she has found no redemption. She's still out for herself and she's still selfish. Sawyer on the other hand has made marked progress, and is, in my opinion, the most changed and evolved character on the island. Kate has not done any of that.

I will be interested to see if Sawyer ever finds out that Kate agreed to marry Jack. And I'll be interested to see what his reaction is. I don't really think there's much animosity at all between jack and Sawyer. It seems to be kind of an understood rule that one of them always takes care of Kate. I think Sawyer would be much more pissed at Jack for screwing up and all the drug and alcohol use. It's kind of "jesus Jack, I left her in your care and you fuck it all up. What're you thinkin'?"

So it should be interested to see what happens there.