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RE: The Desmond and Charlie Discussion Thread...Hee j/k ;)....The Men of Lost Discussion Thread


I thought of something that I wonder what y'all might think of.  Noticing that both Shannon and Nadia are now dead, makes me wonder if Sayid is in some way cursed to lose the women he loves.  As he said he spent 8 years looking for the woman he loved, then he found her and married her and then he buried her.  And during that time he found Shannon, fell in love with her and buried her as well.  So, I can't help wondering if there's some reason that all the people he loves die.

And in some remote sense, the same thing happened to his friend from college, even though he killed himself, he still ended up dead.  Makes me wonder if Sayid is under some kind of curse.



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It's probably not a curse in a sense as it is that sort of bad luck. There's a school of thought that says you do enough wrong in your life, bad luck is what you'll recieve. Sort of like Karma.

In a weird way it reminds of The Dark Tower Series where the protaginsit, who was taught the ways of death and killing at a young age, loses, ior is resposinible in some way for the deaths of those he loves. Death surrounds him but it's never him that dies. He carries it like a curse on everyone else around him, he's cursed to be alone in a sense, it's his penance for the life he lived before.

In a way maybe it's the idea that, you find someone who gives you a chance to change, to be a better person. And you do change your ways. And then you lose that person and the only comfort you have is in what got you by before. He lost the only 2 chances he had at not being a killer, a torturer, whatever he was. All the goodness and hope is out of his life and all hes left with is the anger and need for vengeance. As Sawyer how much that can take over your life.

What makes me wonder is, what happens when you run out of people to kill in vengeance, when they get to the end of this list. What's left after that? What do you do when there is no one else to take the hurt on? I'd hate to see that day.

But to get back to the original before i deviated teehee. I think it's just the wheel of fortune, some people get hit harder than others and I think it's how we deal with it that's the real test. And some people are going on a backwards regression which is unfortunate.

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As I had mentioned to Patti, Jaci and Lyndi before, I wanted to find out a little more about what the significance of Sawyer's walking barefoot to the Black Rock was.  I did a little research and I found some interesting things.

In most dreams when a person is walking barefoot it symbolizes both innocence and poverty, and most significantly it symbolizes innocence. So with that in mind, it seems to me that his trek to the Black Rock was actually symbolizing his coming to grips with the one thing that happened to him as a child which signified the worst part of his life, so by being "exposed" and also "innocent", so to speak, in his barefeet, it would seem to be the same as a child coming to grips with a significant fear that brought such emotional pain on him and consequently colored his entire way of being and thinking up until he crashed on that island.

So if we look at it from a position of loss, then we can see that Sawyer is making his "pilgrimage" so to speak, to the Black Rock to come to an awakening with who and what he is. There are two scenes that are the most significant of this whole episode. Those would be the water scene where he stands in the water to soothe his feet and when he becomes sick at the end of the episode. As rove said earlier, the sickness is brought on because the revenge didn't actually help the situation at all. Of course, he did purge that particular demon from himself, but the simple act of getting revenge really didn't change anything for him.

But the water would symbolize purity and a cleasing for him. So in this respect, the ultimate revenge by killing Cooper simply meant that he was cleasing himself from this albatross which had hung over his head and around his body since he was a child.

We always think of whatever goes on, on the island as having something to do with redemption. This was never more true than for Sawyer. So far we have seen his entire way of being change and, I think, we will conitnue to see this, as the character grows and changes.

And as we have said many times before, the ultimate change in his character having been loving and being loved and respecting and being respected. Sawyer is no longer the opportunistic hoarder that he started out to be, he's no longer all that worried about "my stuff". This was evident for me when Claire wanted some aspirin in Season 3. He immediately said, "I gotcha covered. Two aspirin comin' up." It never bothered him in the least of what he was going to get or what he could trade for it. She needed it and he was getting it for her.

I think this was also very, very true when he went to get Claire out of the burning house in Otherville. Remember what he told Jack in Walkabout. "Whatever you say doc, you're the hero." That statement is no longer true. Jack is not the hero at all. Sawyer's the hero now. The roles have changed and Sawyer is the one that is respected and admired and looked up to by the people on the island.

So getting back to the idea of walking barefoot. All this was done to symbolize a journey that Sawyer is taking into self-enlightenment and self-awareness. And in doing so, he is gaining and greater understanding of who and what he is.


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Speaking of Sawyer barefoot, OMG Lisa I have to show you the new US Weekly photo of him. Your going to flip. He is smokin!!! :D Maybe I can put the link up in the spoiler section cause its kindof spoilery.

Okay now that I got that out of the way, yes I think the barefeet thing is very symbolic. The barefeet thing goes all the way back to Christ infact, and washing ones feet is considered an act of intimacy, because it is a vulnerable spot on the body and also, represents travel and direction.

I think the fact that Sawyer has been shown barefoot now, on more than one occasion also points out that he has made the island his home. You take your shoes off when your at home. Even Ben made the reference that you take your shoes off when your a guest in someones house. And Locke has also demonstrated this.

But to be barefoot totally, shows vulnerability on one end, but also comfort. Not to say Sawyer had a choice, hell when a guy has to pee, he has to pee, but he wasnt afraid enough to put his shoes on and saddle up before he went outside and ran into Locke. And I think that says alot about his character and how he has come to embrace the island as his home.

And Im glad Sawyer threw up after killing Cooper. It was not only a cleansing gesture, but also one that shows he's human. All of that rage he had pent up inside him, everything he was holding on for, for that 25 years, it purged in that moment. And Im glad that taking another human life still has an effect on him, no matter how much of  a monster Cooper was. It shows that Sawyer is still human, and that is a very good thing.




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